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Paul of Tarsus: Hell and the duration of punishment

Sunday, 19 November, 1916
Bible, Paul of Tarsus

Teacher: St. Paul ―
I am here, St. Paul.
I merely want to say that I was present at the church tonight and listened to the preacher (Dr. Ratcliff) tell his congregation what he didn’t know about hell, because what he said, in many particulars was untrue and it was pleasing to hear him tell his people that there was no physical suffering, although he didn’t explain to them why there could be no such suffering, and I mean that no spirit, when he goes into hell carries with him his physical body, or any other body, that has such substance as would be affected by fire and brimstone and the other unreasonable things that the churches have for so many years taught and terrified their members with - and as a consequence caused them to believe that the Father is such a cruel and wrathful Father, demanding that His cravings for satisfaction be supplied by the sizzling in fire of the bodies of His children. No, this damnable doctrine is not true and I am glad to see that the churches are ceasing to believe or teach it.

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St. Jerome: The truths of God must not be sought for in his writings or those of the disciples as contained in the Bible, because of many errors therein

Tuesday, 17 August, 1915
St. Jerome

Teacher: St. Jerome ―
I came to tell you that I am an inhabitant of that Kingdom which Samuel has so inadequately described, and that is the Kingdom of Jesus and, of course, of the Father.

You may not know anything about me, but I was canonized many centuries ago by the church, because it thought that I had done the church so much good by my writings and discourses on things religious. But I must confess now, that when I wrote, I expressed as truths many things which I now see were not true, and I would like to be able to correct all these errors in my writings, but I cannot.

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Samuel ― Describes the Celestial Heavens

Tuesday, 17 August, 1915
Samuel - Describes the Celestial Heavens

Teacher: Samuel ―
I am here, Samuel, the Prophet. I am the prophet who came to you before and wrote. Tonight, I want to tell you of the wonderful things which God has prepared for his redeemed children in the Celestial Spheres, where only those who have received the New Birth can enter.

In these spheres are homes made of the most beautiful materials that can be imagined, and which are of a real and permanent character, and not subject to decay or deterioration of any kind, and which are made without hands, but by the soul’s development, and the love which each spirit possesses.

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St. Augustine says that many of the teachings of the Bible cannot be relied upon

Saturday, 7 August, 1915
St. Augustine says that many of the teachings of the Bible cannot be relied upon

Teacher: St. Augustine ―
I am here, St. Augustine. I merely want to say that I am the St. Augustine who lived after the death of Jesus and was well acquainted with His teachings as they were preserved by the Church. At that time I never knew exactly what became of the manuscripts that were in existence when I lived, but the ones that are supposed to furnish the origin of many of the Biblical writings were not the ones that I was acquainted with. Those that I used were all written in Greek and were written by the disciples of Jesus, and by those of His followers to whom the disciples had communicated the teachings of the Master; and they were the genuine ones and were written from the actual communications of the disciples.

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Paul of Tarsus denies the vicarious atonement - this belief doing much harm - Bible contains many false statements

Tuesday, 26 October, 1915
Paul of Tarsus denies the vicarious atonement - this belief doing much harm - Bible contains many false statements

Teacher: St. Paul ―
I am here, St. Paul. Yes I am and I want to say just a few words. The book on the “vicarious atonement” that you have been reading - about the ransom price and the blood of Jesus and the sacrifice on the cross - as to these things is all wrong, and you must not believe what it says.

Well, I know the Bible ascribes to me the teaching of these things, but I never did; and I tell you now, as I have before told you, that the Bible cannot be depended on as containing things that I wrote, for there are many additions to what I wrote, and many omissions of what I wrote; and so with the others whose names are stated as the writers of the New Testament. Many things contained in that book were never written by any of the alleged authors of the book. The writings of any of us are not in existence, and have not been for many centuries; and when they were copied and recopied, great additions and omissions were made, and, at last, doctrines and dogmas were interpolated that we never at anytime believed or wrote.

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St. Paul explains his thorn in the flesh, his experience on the way to Damascus

Sunday, 27 June, 1915
St. Paul of the Bible

Teacher: St. Paul ―
Saul of Tarsus, now Paul of near Damascus. I have written many epistles which are contained in the Bible, and some are nearly correct, and in them you will find my idea of God and of the Master. I never taught that the Master was God, and neither did I teach the doctrine of the vicarious atonement or the sufficiency of Jesus’ blood to save a sinner from the sins of his earthly deeds. I never taught that any man’s sins would be borne and the penalty for same be paid for by another - and wherever these doctrines are set forth in my epistles, they were not written by me.

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A New Theology

Tuesday, 25 June, 2013
Thought Adjuster

Teacher: Thought Adjuster ―
Spirituality should be considered to be one of the worthwhile disciplines of human endeavor. Theology was the first step, but most of this area of study deals with the religions of the past. While it is important to understand how in the past human beings conceived the Creator, it is necessary to dedicate an equal amount of time to the exploration of new ideas and scientific speculation.

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The Subtle Quake of Dissonance

Monday, 4 March, 2019
Trinity Teacher Uteah

Teacher: Trinity Teacher Uteah
There are many good and faithful followers of religion on Urantia that are dedicated to the doing of Father's Will.  It is to be noted that many of these dedicated followers do embody the tenants of their faith and try to lead lives that are in accordance with their religious beliefs.  They believe that they are doing Father's Will and many good services do they provide in helping their fellows who are in need of spiritual guidance and help dealing with the rigors of life.  Religions are important to the development of spiritual thought and may become a force of good when the intentions of the group are genuinely caring for the betterment of souls on Urantia.  As Urantia enters the enlightened eras of Light and Life, religions will begin to unify seeing the benefits of brotherhood when they support the intersecting values that all humans share. To get there, they will need to look at what divides them and come to an understanding that will require the revision of some rigidly held dogmas. Revision can only come about when followers begin questioning the authority of beliefs that feel discordant within their own souls.

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New Era Conversations 64 – Cultural Change; Leadership; Unifying religionists

Friday, 11 March, 2016

Machiventa Melchizedek, Planetary Manager and Planetary Prince
Topics:

  • Purpose of the Planetary Management team
  • Individual participation in organizations
  • False sentiment toward degenerate stocks
  • Teachings of Dalamatia
  • Social association as survival insurance
  • Cultural change is outpacing biologic evolution
  • Do inter-racial marriages effect cultural civilization?
  • Unifying religionists
  • Leadership and vision
  • Leadership and facilitation
  • The quality of organized religions
  • Surviving disasters by creating new societies
  • Coping with violence after the disasters
  • Visual presentation of 6 core values
  • Whether to reveal celestial sources or not
  • Machiventa’s closing words

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New Era Conversations 63 – Religions in Crises

Monday, 22 February, 2016

Machiventa Melchizedek, Planetary Manage/Planetary Prince
Topics:

  • Update on the Correcting Time progress
  • How to improve the educational process for our children
  • Educational special programs
  • Lagging behind in ethics
  • Religions are an intellectual development
  • Religions must move into a dynamic inner experience
  • Making readjustments to human values
  • Religions are in crises
  • Over-population and our natural resources
  • Over-population jeopardizes the social sustainability of others
  • Population must aspire to ideals rather than ideas
  • Focus on the future for education and ethics
  • Place-finding devices for the unemployed
  • The role of revelations in our future
  • The real religion of personal spiritual experience
  • Institutionalized religion
  • Reinvigorating civilization
  • Human rights are associated with social duties
  • Unlimited freedom is dangerous
  • Science, philosophy and spiritual experience
  • Factors in early civilization
  • Dalamatia and the 6 core values
  • Getting started with the 6 core values
  • Closing statement

TR:  Daniel Raphael
Team Members:  Roxanne Andrews, Michael McCray, and a Student

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